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planning and coordinating help in the country. >> mr. prime minister, here's a tough question. a sensitive question. are there any institutions in haiti today that we the donor countries can trust to distribute aid to the people? >> the answer is no. i could tell you that from my own knowledge and what i know for the time being, you know, and i believe the responsibility of coordinating, planning, and implementing the aid should be given to an international organization or international group of countries. i could tell you personally when i was prime minister i believe the money should be in the hands of the u.n. we cannot give the money to any haitian organization for the time being. we can look at how the money is being used but it has to be in
the hands of an international group of people. >> will the government there in place today in haiti allow the donor countries to do the good work of relief? >> let me tell you, i don't think they have a choice today. the situation is such there is nobody in haiti that could handle the situation. >> i see. >> and the fact that the prime minist minister -- he understands. i know him personally. he understands the problems and is practical enough to realize what it is needed to satisfy the needs of the country, not to control the money. he is not the money man. so there is a chance. >> okay. we have to go, sir. thank you, sir. thank you, former prime minister latortue.
thank you for joining us on this critical night. and thank you for watching our program. join us again tomorrow night at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern for more "hardball." "countdown" with keith olbermann starts right now. that for which man has no answer. why? >> why? >> why? >> that for which man has too few words. >> i was hoping i would die quickly instead of slowly because i was stuck. >> that for which man has only deeds and generosity and heart. with the first estimate from the red cross of the dead set at 45,000 to 50,000, with the machinery of relief finally gearing up to full speed, the moment at 4:53 p.m. tuesday now frozen forever by a surveillance camera that only looks like it was on a trampoline.
this is "countdown" special coverage of the earthquake in haiti, the third night since the moment that killed at least one-half of 1% of that country's entire population and left 3 million more homeless and/or injured. the president asks the previous two presidents to become formally involved. >> to the people of haiti, we say, clearly, and with conviction. you will not be forsaken. you will not be forgotten. >> and tonight's comment. rush limbaugh now tries to discourage americans from donating to earthquake relief in haiti. also, what can brown do to you? democrats rush to keep ted kennedy's senate seat from a challenge by a former nude model. and a final health care compromise reportedly near. what about the so-called cadillac tax, the antiabortion language, and the surreptitious funding of $20 million worth of third-party antireform tv ads by
six american insurance giants? all the news and commentary and the latest from haiti now on "countdown." good evening from new york. the morgue is full. the president of haiti said after the first authoritative estimate of the dead in and around his capital, port-au-prince that, the morgue is full there. the first 72 hours after an earthquake are said to be the most critical. the period of time during which most victims can be saved. that window of opportunity to pull survivors from the wreckage of tuesday's massive earthquake in haiti is closing tonight and it is closing fast. for an estimated 45,000 to 50,000 it appears it might already be too late. the red cross estimating today that's how many people this earthquake has killed. again, only an estimate based on figures being used by the haitian government and on information from the red cross's network of volunteers in port-au-prince epicenter of the
quake on tuesday. the president of haiti estimating today that 7,000 people have already been buried in one common grave. crews at the united nation headquarters in the haitian capital rescuing the security guard overnight. the u.n. secretary general calling it a small miracle during a night which brought few other miracles. another aid worker found there today and roughly 100 people still buried among the rubble of what was once a five-story building. 36 u.n. personnel now confirmed dead. the worst casualties in u.n. history. nearly 200 still missing. rescue teams from the u.s., the dominican republic, france, and china have all arrived bringing with them dogs and listening equipment. secretary general adding that more teams will be arriving soon. the story at the u.n.'s headquarters in haiti, a microcosm of what's happening all across port-au-prince. aid workers facing a logistical nightmare. almost everything needs to be imported but deliveries to port-au-prince by ship is impossible. the port is closed due to severe damage.
at the airport this morning planes full of supplies arriving faster than ground crews could unload them and as a result aviation authorities for a time restricting nonmilitary flights from the u.s. for fear that planes would run out of fuel while waiting to land. then there is the problem of distributing the supplies once they are in haiti. one flight from florida carrying trauma doctors from the university of miami. they set up an ad hoc trauma center at the airport and have been treating patients there ever since. >> it's chaos but we're doing the best we can. we're trying to triage patients and send the sickest ones back to miami and set up patients that need surgery, maybe do them tonight or tomorrow, and deal with patients with pain medication and hydration which is probably the major thing right now. everyone is so dehydrated. >> those doctors telling npr that they have lost four
patients to minor injuries that had they been in miami could have been easily treated. meanwhile back in washington secretary of state clinton returning at dawn from her trip to the pacific aborted for this crisis. the state department coordinating the aid efforts which include soldiers from the 82nd airborne, 2,000 marines from fort lejeune, the u.s.s. vincent carrying helicopters and medical supplies, as well as the navy's floating hospital the comfort now being stocked in baltimore. president obama pledging $100 million for haiti earthquake relief. the white house also confirming the president has enlisted his two most recent predecessors presidents george w. bush and bill clinton to help him raise more money still. >> to the people of haiti we say clearly and with conviction you will not be forsaken. you will not be forgotten. in this, your hour of greatest need, america stands with you. the world stands with you. and we will join with the strong network of nongovernmental organizations across the country who understand the daily
struggles of the haitian people. yet even as we bring our resources to bear on this emergency, we need to summon the tremendous generosity and compassion of the american people. >> let's start off in port-au-prince now with nbc news correspondent kerry sanders joining us from there live. give me first off an overview of this third night as it begins there. >> reporter: well, as night settles in, it is another night where people have no food, no water, no place to sleep, gathering in parks again tonight. i think what i saw today that is perhaps the most disturbing is there was one location that had fresh water. the price of that fresh water has now doubled and people were lining up and then they started to scream, push, and i think we're on the edge of that anxiety with anger, possibly spilling over to something that could turn into violence in the coming days. it's all out of desperation, so
it's a -- it's a little snapshot of something that really i think is a real great fear. the other thing is here, fuel. the roads are remarkably clogged with vehicles considering the fact that it's very hard to find fuel. there was only one gas station in all of port-au-prince that was pumping fuel today, $8 a gallon. you can buy fuel for $20 a gallon on the black market. the vehicles we saw that are filled to the brim with people are those trying to get out of port-au-prince with no real destination, just to travel out of the downtown city center, the areas that are the hardest hit. the world vision food program is here and says that couldn't be anything better for them to do that. they have warehouses with food, water, medical supplies outside the city and if the people can get to them it'll be a lot better than them trying to figure out how to get all the supplies into here.
the logistics? they're under way here. the u.s. military has got things under control. things are arriving but they're arriving at the airport. the vehicles that are going to drive this stuff out to where the people are has not happened and i suspect for one very good reason and that is one of security. you don't want to show up with a ten-ton truck with a lot of water on the back and pull into a parking lot because it could turn into a very ugly situation quickly. >> kerry, you mentioned the water in a sort of informal, nonmedical team sense. we just heard from one of the doctors, trauma doctors from the university of miami, about the issue of hydration being a problem even within medical facilities. is it any better to your knowledge within those limited, ad hoc kind of medical facilities that are being set up? >> it is not improved at all other than the fact that there are personnel who are here. now, this is, despite the fact that this is a poor country,
people are extremely ingenious. they know how to take an engine on a vehicle and get the electricity that's needed for a car battery to run an x-ray of a machine that's not working. the problem is, there's just no power, i mean no fuel to even power those trucks. if you have a truck, say a truck on the street and you run the lines how long can you run it before you can't run the vehicle out? so it's very, very difficult. i don't want to sound like doint have hope because these people are strong and they have a lot of desire and the will to live is here but it's on the edge. it's a city on the edge and i think when the u.s. military and the u.n. gets out there things will improve. the u.n. does have armored personnel carriers out on the streets but it's a show of presence. they are instructed not to stop and not get involved if something develops. so the show of presence hopefully will send a signal but
as soon as people figure out that they're not on the receiving end of any sort of authority, it could go ugly. >> but i'm inferring from what you're reporting now and from what you and brian williams and ann curry reported with us last night that these fears that people's patience, which has been obviously -- patience has been extraordinarily high. it might be waning, and there were flashes of desperation that you mentioned and there were some last night, the simple premise, you're hungry, you need food. you're injured, you need medical care. and at some point the promise of it is not sufficient and yet from what i'm hearing you say, largely even though this might not be long standing, a description, for now the patience has been extraordinary, the willingness of these people to understand that there are limitations as to how quickly help can get to them has been extraordinary. >> absolutely. but there's one thing that everybody sees no matter where you are in port-au-prince and
that is a c-17 coming in and landing in an airport, a c-130 coming in and landing in the airport. this is perhaps one of the busiest airports in this region of the world right now. and they know what those military planes are bringing and they don't see it where they are. i've had more than one person tell me today, if i could afford that water at twice the price that is being sold out on the street, i would buy it because i need it. i don't have any money. i don't have a job. i live day to day to begin with and now i've had nothing to do. i need that water. and i think some of that anger has turned to the people who are profiting by selling that water on the street. look, there are people here who are industrious who can figure out ways to get by for a couple days and that is exactly what they're doing but the systems that are needed in place are coalescing as we speak and we start seeing some of that delivery as early as tomorrow, it will make a significant difference on how this plays out
in the coming week. >> let me ask you two more questions and then i'll let you go with my thanks. first, the scope of the disaster that we are seeing because of the continuity of communications such as it is to the united states, the extraordinary things that are being done by people behind cameras and in front of satellite dishes. is that understanding of the breadth of this thing known to the average person in port-au-prince? would he know or he or she know that the president has said the morgue is full with the scope of the disaster being readily apparent to them? >> they know the scope of the disaster because, you know, there is the word of mouth that spreads around and i stopped by a -- i mean, the streets here are littered with bodies. you can't not know how big this disaster is. i went to a grave yard today and there was no room for the bodies they were burying. they dug a hole between two grave sites which was about that
wide and they placed a family of four bodies in there and covered them up. and that's people who want to bury their loved ones. there are so many bodies on the street and this is a tropical climate. i'm probably sun burned you can see. it's been hot here today. it'll be hot here again tomorrow. those bodies are now sitting outside for calculate the days for me, i'm a little lost on it but, you know, the decay will begin, disease will pick up. people who are exhausted, unfed, have not had water, have immunity systems down because of all of this are now going to be exposed to yet one more potential problem. >> kerry, my second question can't possibly follow the extraordinary word picture you just painted there so i'll let you go with our great thanks. kerry sanders of nbc news at port-au-prince. great reporting and thank you. one more detail and then we'll go back to haiti through the eyes of the save the children organization and supposedly 2 million children have been affected by this disaster. the nightmare inside the vast
nightmare on 9/11 in this country was the 411 emergency workers, police, fire, medics, killed as they tried to help. the nightmare inside the mass nightmare in haiti, at least 200 of those there to help from the u.n. unaccounted for, at least 36 more dead. and a second nightmare right here at home as an american radio commentator actually tries to discourage americans from contributing to earthquake relief in haiti. a comment next. that's why i book with expedia. so i can find someplace familiar... or somewhere more distinctive... nice! then i can compare dates to find out when i can save the most cash. done and done. we should do this more often. more choices, more savings. where you book matters. expedia. ♪ dot com you look beautiful tonight. allow me. it's tough to reach that five servings a day
back to port-au-prince in a moment. haiti is also the topic of tonight's first quick comment. at a time of great humanity and generosity in this country and all other countries towards people in need our great national shame is again underlined. the small percentage of us who will not only turn anything even this into an excuse and a conduit for hatred and racial prejudice but who arrogantly believe they have an entitlement to this hatred and its expression. people who are led by rush limbaugh. after yesterday having projected his own hatred of minorities into the sad and somber equation
of haiti limbaugh today discouraged americans from contributing to haitian earthquake relief. when a listener noted donations could be made to the red cross via the white house website limbaugh asked would you trust the money is going to go to haiti? would you trust your name is going to end up on a mailing list of the obama people to start asking for campaign donations for him and other causes? limbaugh completed the expression of his subhumanity. besides we've already donated to haiti. it's called the u.s. income tax. the conservative website red state has a front page link for haitian relief donations via the salvation army. the site's national review and town hall and fox news have front page links for donations by the world organization. sean hannity.com has a front page link to haitian relief donations via the red cross. rush limbaugh.com has a front page link to a company that sells gold coins. it was a saxon jurist who seems
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the human toll of tuesday's quake is still not measurable but the pictures leave little doubt port-au-prince is crushed. the morgue is full. some of the cemeteries are full as you heard, and bodies still litter the street. as we mentioned haiti's president telling the world that 7,000 have already been buried in a common grave. the hardest faces to watch by far are those of the children there. this primary school was flattened. close to 700 kids inside.
today despite the best efforts to rescue some of them there was no sign of life there. more children among the injured flocking to this hospital. one of the few hospitals left standing. funded almost entirely by american donors. so many people coming every day that the doctors don't know how many people they are treating. they are running out of everything and do not know when there will be more. we're joined now on the phone from port-au-prince by kate conrad a spokesperson for the organization save the children one of the great groups who helps children in need around the world. thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks for having me. >> describe for us your reaction after your arrival there today. >> well, you all have seen the pictures and in person the destruction, the devastation is certainly far worse. in the area where our office is about 60% of the houses are damaged or completely destroyed. the roads are full of rubble. but the most difficult thing to
see were the masses of people moving, clinging to their children, and they have baskets of whatever they could salvage from their house on their heads, in their hands, sort of looking for refuge somewhere. this is a very hilly area. people are looking for flat areas to, you know, that obviously don't have anything hanging over them to spend the night or get out of the sun. sometimes that includes closed gas stations which are, of course have their own dangers. but, you know, we're seeing spontaneous camps set up. we're seeing an extraordinarily difficult situation for everyone but especially for children because they're smaller, way more vulnerable, and with this kind of movement of people way more prone to be separated from their families. >> to that point particularly there is an estimate that 2 million children all tolled have been affected by this. what happens? how can you possibly keep up with the idea of kids who have
been separated from their parents or who have lost them and are on their own? is there a chance that there are kids literally on their own still at this point or have they been shielded by neighbors or strangers? do you have any measure of that yet? >> well, the usual reaction of the community is, yes, that neighbors and strangers will shelter them. what save the children does as well as other agencies do, and we did this after the tsunami, we get together, we take reports of unaccompanied children, and we work to trace them to their families so there is sort of one repository, one data base, so that people don't have to run all over town looking for their children or, you know, if their parents are gone, it's not a simple process but it certainly is very important. generally speaking, the community does take care of them for as long as they can. >> the weather was mentioned earlier by kerry sanders, our
correspondent, that it was about 80 degrees today and that the bodies as we know untreated, un -- not removed and essentially beginning the process of decomposition and now what might relieve the haefneeas of the weather might be just as bad. the prospect of rain something you're particularly concerned with? >> yeah. the rain can only exacerbate the mystery of the people who are homeless and living outside. they've got, you know, blankets strung from trees as shelter but also there is concern that because the land is destabilized there are giant cracks in the earth behind our office and there is a retaining wall but if there is a flood, a heavy rain, we're afraid the wall is going to go and you see a lot of erosion here anyway. and so it will be problematic. and also the mud and the mud
will complicate things for people, too. >> extraordinary. everywhere you turn something else is at risk or something else is a threat. cane conradt, spokesperson for the organization save the children in port-au-prince. thank you kindly and good luck. >> thank you. >> 5500 troops, $100 million, and perhaps two ex-presidents, the first wave of american support for haiti but what about food and water as it is needed right now? we'll talk to a spokesman for the organization oxfam in the dominican republic right across the border from haiti. she wants to make up.
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port-au-prince, haiti. the first estimate from the red cross today is now in, 45,000 to 50,000 dead. 2 million homeless and injured or both. the port is destroyed. the airport is open. the president says the main morgue in the city of port-au-prince is full. kerry sanders reported earlier this evening that cemeteries are full. full enough that he saw a family of five burr nid tied in the sp normally unoccupied between two graves. from port-au-prince we'll move east to the dominican republic on the other side of the mountainous border from haiti and the spokesman for oxfan america. thank you for your time tonight, sir good evening. >> i understand you made it into haiti today but not all the way to port-au-prince. what did you see? >> well, i just went in quickly just to see if there was communication, if communication was restored, and then came back into the dominican republic and
the main problem that we're facing here as an aid community is communication, the first 48 hours were a nightmare just because, you know, phone lines were down, cellular phones were down. internet was down. in terms of coordinating aid efforts, we need to have phone lines working. they were simply not working and it was making our lives quite difficult. now, you know, we're seeing some cargo arriving today. that's really good news because it means we have communication systems that will arrive. we'll have big machinery to move out alt rubble from the road so we can get the aid flowing a little bit smoother than it's going now. i mean, you know, we're not kidding ourselves. this is a serious crisis and i think your viewers can see that on the images that you've been showing tonight. >> can you give an estimate as to how close we tore the closing of the window that separates this from rescue to mere recovery?
>> well, yeah. there are varied steps to the aid effort but i mean right now what we're trying to do, keith, is just regroup and make sure that, you know, we talk to one another, make sure the aid is delivered in the most efficient way. i think your reporter was right. if it's not done the right way it can be chaos and that's what we want to avoid so once we have that communication system, you know, fully back on, we can talk to one another, coordinate. i mean, you know, we all know what we have to do. ox fam is an expert in delivering water. the world food program is an expert in giving food. we all know our roles. we just need to sort of coordinate it better and get it under way. so i think you can expect the next 48 hours to improve drastically. >> and the water situation that kerry referred to, one place, one location he saw where it was available to the public is -- how quickly could that situation be improved? >> well, we heard the military were bringing in some water tanks. that's good.
at oxfam we'll bring in some engineers and try to go and find some water and, yeah. i mean, how quickly, we're doing this as fast as we can but as i said, it's been really difficult. if we can catch a break and the communication system can get back on the same way the airport got back on, you saw as soon as they cleared one strip, you know, aid was starting to flow in, actually too many flights -- well, not too many but they actually had traffic problems. but, you know, as soon as we get communication resolved i think you'll see a big improvement. but we're not -- i think we have to be honest about this one. it's a big humanitarian crisis but we're working hard to make sure that the aid reaches the haitian people. >> louis bergeron spokesman for oxfam, another organization doing the work of the heart in port-au-prince speaking to us from the dominican republic. thank you, sir.
>> thanks, keith. >> our continuing coverage of haiti and the other day's news resumes after this. entirely online and learn life skills that put you in charge. sign up for free right now and see how 31,000 food options give you options, and 1,800 recipes keep them fresh, so when life comes knocking, you can learn to live it, and lose weight and keep it off. sign up for free right now and get living. weight watchers online. stop dieting. start living.
there are two late developments from haiti tonight and it is fortunate in this case that we do not have live video of any of this and we'll rely exclusively on the videotape shot earlier today in port-au-prince. it probably is understandable that it has come to this. there are reports now from the associated press that to remove the bodies we have heard described as being left in the street the authorities there such as they are have resorted to the use of bulldozers. there is also a report from the reuters news agency. i will read it. desperate haitians set up road blocks with corpses in port-au-prince to demand quicker relief efforts after a massive earthquake killed tens of thousands. angry survivors staged a protest as international aid began arriving. photographer for "time" magazine said he saw at least two
downtown road blocks formed with bodies of earthquake victims and rocks. they are starting to block the roads with bodies. it's getting ugly out there. people are fed up with getting no help said mr. schwartz. we might update this story. i hope we do not have to update it visually. at home the white house today finally won the support of organized labor including the afl-cio for the emerging version of health care reform that includes a new tax on expensive and so-called cadillac health care plans often negotiated by the labor unions in exchange for wage concessions. the white house made some of the concessions of its own but whether they will be sufficient to satisfy progressives in the house of representatives or their political opponents next november remains to be seen. the news coming out of conference call with organized labor and reporters after a second day of intense negotiations at the white house between democratic leaders and the congress and the administration. the president reportedly pushed for taxing health care plans instead of enacting the house plan to tax the rich and at his briefing today the press secretary defended that position without really acknowledging it.
>> the president has obviously a strong desire to see a bending in the cost curve for health care. while at the same time not impacting working men and women. so those meetings have taken place in order to try to find some sort of compromise that does not impact working men and women while at the same time we take responsible actions to ensure that the amount of money that people are paying for health care -- that we change the direction of that curve. >> as a result of today's deal, the threshold for who will pay a 40% tax on the value of their health care plan has been raised. individuals with health care plans worth $8900 or more will now be taxed as will families with plans worth $24,000 or more. along with various exemptions the tax will now raise less money meaning the president and his congressional negotiating partners may still need to find other revenue sources presumably through other taxes including
possibly a more rarified tax on the rich for a medicare payroll tax applied either to high income earners or unearned income, capital gains. various reports today suggest the final bill and this would be the final, final bill, could go to the congressional budget office as early as this weekend presuming deals are struck on other issues including immigration and abortion and whether insurance plans are offered and regulated on a state level or national one not to mention a new hitch the inclusion today of senator joe lieberman in these talks as well, roll call.com reporting talks were to resume tonight at 9:00 p.m. and lieberman is now in the mix because he is again seen as a lynch pin for passage. addressing house democrats tonight the president sought to reassure them not only that he knows what a bruising fight health care reform has been for them but promising he will campaign across the country to defend it and said he would love to fight republicans on whether to roll back the reforms the democrats hope to enact. >> i know everybody in the media is all in a tizzy. oh, what is this going to mean
politically? let me tell you something. if republicans want to campaign against what we've done by standing up for the status quo, and for insurance companies over american families and businesses, that is a fight i want to have. >> joining us tonight on this msnbc political analyst richard wolffe also the author of "renegade, making of a president." good evening good evening, keith. >> for those who believe that any kind of health care reform is better than nothing they probably are admitting at this point that if it is it's just better than, organized labor gets this threshold from 8,000 to 8900 on this tax, for families from $23,000 to $24,000. is it meaningful movement or does it mean that labor basically had to fold like everybody else on this? >> no, it is meaningful movement and that's why the president put in so many hours into this. there is a palatable sense of relief tonight speaking to white house officials because not only is this a major hurdle but actually both sides have come out of this pretty happy. the president has defended his position in terms of this
cadillac health care plan tax and that's an important principle for him. and the unions have won a whole range of exemptions and adjustments for workers who are higher cost, older workers, women, dental and vision excluded. most importantly they have this time to adjust and get into a new negotiating pattern because as you said before, in the past they've accepted low wages for better health care plans. that dynamic has to change. >> why not go the simpler route here which would seem at least on paper to be the house plan which was deemed more conservative fiscally? >> well, the idea of taxing wealthy people may still be out there and you've got to pay attention to how the payroll tax develops here with regard to medicare but in the end there are people who face higher costs. maybe because they live in higher cost states or because their jobs have put them at higher risk and taxing wealthy people does nothing to adjust behavior. in the end the white house is looking not just to raise the
revenue but to adjust behavior when it comes to health care costs. that's true of unions and people with these plans. >> another essential point. is this thing in its final form going to still include measures that would make it more difficult for women to pay for abortions and thus make it more difficult for women to get abortions? >> well, the abortion question is still out there and it's not a fight that the white house is still looking forward to. you know, the question is, obviously, highly charged. we'll have to see how it shapes up. of course this is going to suck up a lot of time in the next few days as they try to get this done before the state of the union. >> richard wolffe of msnbc, author of"renegade" helping us briefly upgrade the health care reform situation. other functions, what was supposedly the ted kennedy seat in the massachusetts special election and how the insurance cartel got away with funding antireform tv ads with money laundered through the u.s. chamber of commerce. we will recap another stark day of headlines. the first authoritative estimate of the dead, the injured, the homeless as msnbc's special
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we're going to go back to haiti at the end of this broadcast. in the interim a potentially critical part of the health care battle is taking place far from the national stage. the vote to fill the seat of the late ted kennedy will determine whether democrats retain the 60/40 margin they believe they need. the state's political leanings are about as consistent as the tower of piza's. the fact that this is a special election with charged up tea bag partiers on one side and a democrat igbavboa base on the other led the rothenberg political report and the cook political report to now call this race, quote, a tossup less than one week out. the democrat martha coakley continues to lead in the polls including a research 2000 poll conducted yesterday and tuesday that put her up 49% to 41. close enough that the two most recent democratic presidents are working to engage the democratic base. president obama issuing a video
today explicitly tying tuesday's election to health care reform. >> -- shall be your voice and my ally which is why the opponents are change are pouring money into your state. they believe that by defeating martha and replacing ted kennedy with her republican opponent they'll be in a position to tie up the senate and prevent a vote on health insurance reform, financial reform, and other issues so important to working families of massachusetts and the nation. so i need you to put on your walking shoes again. knock on doors. call. e-mail. text and tweet. and make sure everyone you know understands the stakes for their families, for massachusetts, and our country. >> let's turn to msnbc political analyst lawrence o'donnell, also a contributor at huffington post and former chief of staff of the senate finance committee. thanks for your time. >> and former massachusetts voter. >> i was going to say this is not exactly outside of your
bailiwick. the state hasn't voted in a republican senator since 1972. they're going to start now with a tea bag guy one year after electing barack obama? >> they have voted in plenty of republican governors since then. they've been shut out in the senate but actually they've dominated the state house with governors during the ted kennedy senate career. and, you know, remember barack obama lost the massachusetts primary even with ted kennedy's backing and john kerry's backing. and remember that ted kennedy during all of those governors' races during his career was always campaigning energy again republican for the democratic candidate and most of the time losing and so the kennedy coat tails here have never been strong in the state and they're not working right now. >> and the impact of the limited campaigning or campaigning by proxy here by president obama, president clinton for candidate coakley, is that going to have the impact they hope? enough of an impact?
>> well, it's very tricky because the obama health care plan is polling below 50% in massachusetts. the last poll i saw it was about 43%. the president has lost a tremendous amount of political capital in the state of massachusetts. and so it's just that bad year for incumbents, keith, we've all been hearing about. governor patrick's numbers have collapsed. he is definitely on the wrong side of the popularity numbers now. so it's a very tough time for people to come into massachusetts and try to tell massachusetts voters how to vote. >> one thing, though, i had not understood and perhaps this is my naivete and relative inexperience in this field of politics but it would seem to me there are a lot of things a candidate could overcome in his previous life but posing nude for "cosmopolitan" magazine is not one of them. how is that one issue not becoming something to rally around, against, or even for in this candidate, the candidacy of mr. brown, the republican?
>> well, it turns out massachusetts has become very french, keith. welcome to 21st century politics in massachusetts. it's inconceivable, you know, during my lifetime that i would have seen that not be a liability but people are leaving it behind. they're just -- so far anyway it's being treated as something in his distant past and they're judging the candidate they're seeing today. >> yes. last question doubling back to health care. you mentioned the effect of health care on the coakley candidacy. what about the reverse version of that? what is this doing to support for health care in massachusetts, health care reform, because either democrats want to hurry up or just because people in massachusetts of all places has the party terrified about november? >> well, massachusetts is a problem for the democrats on this subject because they've been responsible there trying to
address this issue ahead of the federal government. so now, politically, what the national democrats are presenting to massachusetts is, yes, you've got this issue already dealt with in your state but now we're going to ask you through taxation including the tax you talked about in the last segment to help pay for health care in other states. because massachusetts is a donor state to the federal government. it sends in more money than it gets back. so it's hard to see in massachusetts what the great deal is other than just being a good team mate on the 50-state band wagon. it's very difficult for coakley to make health care reform a driving force for her campaign in the state that already has health care reform. and the rush in the white house now, the panic in the white house in getting this bill done, getting it to cbo is all about the possibility of losing that seat on tuesday which everyone of the democrat party now takes very seriously. >> lawrence o'donnell who knows his health care, knows his democrats, knows his massachusetts, and does not know his "cosmopolitan" magazine, great thanks, lawrence.
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six miles beneath the surface, for an example for comparison the one at northridge, california in 1994 was more than 11 miles beneath the surface and you can guess what the impact means when it's that much closer in terms of vertical relativity. i think i made a mathematical mistake. i believe it was out of wishful thinking. the correct number believed homeless and/or injured is not 2 million but 3 million. that number that the red cross has estimated as you see on your screen, 45,000 is the minimum they're expecting could be as much as 50,000. i guess that's good news compared to numbers we were talking about last night. it is still horrifying and it is having a toll now as this becomes a humanitarian crisis. we're joined again from the save the children organization in port-au-prince by kate conradt and i just wanted you to react to something that a colleague from oxfam told us who said this is a humanitarian crisis and we're right at that tipping point where it's possible to
salvage much of this if the relief effort can somehow be accelerated, if some breaks are caught, and things like water and food get to these people in the next 12 hours. is that the window that you're thinking of? >> i don't know that i'd put a window on it. it is dark right now and there is nothing really that could be done but absolutely we need to catch some breaks and we have to understand that this is a major natural disaster that came, that sort of overlays what was an ongoing humanitarian crisis here with 80% of the population living under the poverty level. most people were on the edge before this happened. they are still recovering from the hurricanes of late 2008. there were four. so there were desperate times then. people didn't have work. the malnutrition rates and children are the most vulnerable, so,